omfg…. freaking idiots

I agree 100%

Alex - “we honestly deserve to go to hell for an eternity
we’re evil people who sin every day”

I agree that those who have accountability do sin. My disagreement is the Calvanistic approach:

God made us all flawed and evil. God predestines some of us fallen evil beings to be saved and go to heaven. The rest go to Hell, a Hell he made with a Devil. So here we have an all powerfull God, purposely making billions of creations that have dreams, hopes, love, desire, self awareness; all flawed. All are imperfect and it is “great” of Him to save some to show His “mercy” and the rest get thrown in an eternal hell of endless suffering. This is why, if God were a “Calvanist” I would opt to live in Hell than with such an evil, despicable being.

Alex - “God in his LOVE saved us from going to hell and made it so we had a chance by asking the lord jesus into our hearts and repenting of our sins NOT through the priest or the pope or all those other ungodly sinners.”

First, what about those that NEVER even heard of Christ. This is an area where I get lots of opinion from evangelicals, but no one ever has a logical answer. If they are saved in ignorance, then it would be better if Christ commanded the apostles to keep quite and never spread the word. Also, this would make God a respecter of persons and place salvation upon those who lived in times and places where the word was unknown.

Second, if those that never heard of Christ or had opportunities to recieve ordanances such as baptism were damned, then God again is unjust and a respector of persons. I do not believe that this fits the nature of perfectly just God, who thanks to Christ, is also full of mercy.

Third, I disagree with Catholic doctrine, but I do not believe in judging Popes or Priest as ungodly sinners. Some are good, some are bad, and some are downright evil (i.e. the alter boy molesters). This is also my thought toward Evangelical ministers. Some are good, some are bad, and some are down right evil (i.e. the Swagarts and Bakers who peddle the word of God for filthy lucur and wallow in sin on the side).

Alex - Romans 3:23
“For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

Thus the need for a perfect sacrifice, a willing sacrifice to pay the price of the law - so that justice is not robbed, and now mercy may be extended.

Alex - John 3:16
“For God so LOVED the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever beleiveth on him should have everlasting life through jesus christ our lord.”

Preaching to the choir on that one.

I just wanted to emphasis that there are some gapping holes in much of Christianity when it comes to what happens to those that do not hear the word of God. Or even better, what happens to those that hear of Christ under negative circumstances and curse His name (i.e. Jews and Moores who were tortured in the Inquisition).

The constitution protects your right to worship how you wish. It does not, however, seperate religion and government. What I mean is this. What a candidates religious beliefs are should be very important to his constituents because it will be a primary influence in how the candidate will act in his representative role. If you do not believe this or think that a person can seperate their religious beliefs from their political ones your extremely naive. In addition, a candidates religious beliefs should be a moral guide when voting on and enacting legislation. If we did not have the moral compass and strong positive ethics of Christianity this country would probably look a lot like Iran, or worse yet Saudi Arabia where not only is it a monarchy it is an Oligarchy as well.

I get real tired of people who try to insinuate that our country and the constitution were not based on Christian principles and therefore, although it does seperate “church” and state, there is no defined seperation of Christianity and state. We are and hopefully will continue to be a Christian nation. Live with it.

Articulate - I agree, he is very good with words.

Common sense - Neutral here, I’ve seen Mike show a refreshing amount of “common sense” at times and other times he has acted the fool.

Sincere - Totally disagree. I liked Mike - at first - the more I observed him the less I liked him mostly because of his nasty little shadow campaign against Romney. Up front he would proclaim that he was running a “clean” campaign while in the back he was running a very dirty, religiously divisive, campaign. His response when called on this was always a “who me, I don’t know much about XYZ”. Mike earned my contempt.

Sure - Agree, except when he was asked tough questions on his stance on imigration, closing Gitmo (loved Fred Thompson racking him over the coals on that one), and foreign policy questions which my 11 yo daughter knows more about than he did (of course she is homeschooled and well ahead of her peirs).

Confident - Agree, even with the math totally against him I am shocked at how long he stayed in the race.

true American - He is an American, but he also did his best to violate article 6 of the constitution purely for political gain. That is VERY unamerican in my book.

P.S. Mike is intelligent, someone with his wit is not stupid. He is however painfully ignorant on foreign policy, science and fiscal issues. This is not someone I would want in the white house, besides the fact that he violated the spirit of the constitution and article 6.

The Morons are those that are dumb enough to believe Mike when he says the cross image was unintential. Study up a bit on media and presentation folks - team Huckster knew exactly what they were doing with that book shelf. Again, I don’t care what image he put in his commercial, I do care when he lies about it.

Why should he deny it??

You would love living in Iran! It is a shame that there are so many in the U.S. that see no problem with violating the constitution and holding a canidate to a religious test. It is a shame that folks can’t seperate their religion from politics. I agree that a canidate should be of high moral fiber and it does not matter to me from which faith they gain that moral fortitude as long as they have it.

Placing religious alignment as your number one political decider makes you very unamerican in this respect. Freedom of religion is on of the great things that makes this nation so strong and vibrant. Religious rule is what makes Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and others such stagnant and disfuctional states.

Oh, and I can take a wild guess at what your thinking Lennox… ‘but my religion is better so it would be ok - I’m not one of those Muslim infidels, I’m a good Christian’ It was a bunch of “good Christians” that encouraged Gov. Boggs of Missouri to sign the “Extermination Order” against all LDS (leave or die). So, call me silly, but I do not believe an evangelical theocracy ruling over the United States would be a good thing. I’ve soon how full of “love” and “tolerance” many evangelicals are.

P.S. Why are there not more “C.S. Lewis” evangelicals? One of my favorite authors and a very inspired individual.

I agree with the “so what if a cross is in the background” - I think Huck could have easily said something to the effect of, “yes, it’s part of my faith and belief, and again Merry Christmas to all! instead of, “cross, what cross?”. Huck is such a piece.

I disagree with the, “it probably only offends godless liberals anyway!!!” It does not matter who it offends or encourages - Huck is free to express himself any way he wants. Unfortunately he has chosen to express himself in such a way as to promote “identity politics” outside the political issues. Huck knew that he could bring up old predjudices amongst many evangelicals against Mormons by promoting himself as the, “Christian Leader” vs. the evil Mormon. Huck turned this political campaign into a religious campaign. This tactic could never win him the White House, but it could help hold down the Mormon guy and prevent him from getting enough support amongst evangelicals to pull ahead.

Romney pulled out of the race because he know that he could possibly beat McCain, and he could easily beat Huck, but not the two of them working against him. Huck played a nice little lap dog for McCain. For those Hucksters who dislike my POV about Huck playing dog to McCain, fine, but if you post please also explain why Huck ONLY attacked Romney when McCain was the front runner. Please explain why McCain and Huck worked together in W.V. to deny Romney the first win of super Tues. and then tell us how they were not working together.

Thank you Mr. Huckabee as we now have two ultra librals and McShamnesty to choose from for president.

Then why would Jesus want his word preached to all nations? Your claim makes it so that those who die in ignorance are saved yet those that hear of Christ have the potential for eternal damnation.

This is my BIG problem with many evangelicals is that they are either Calvinist and believe in a God who is evil enough to create all off us purposefully flawed, create Hell and a Devil, and damn many of His intentionally flawed works to that Hell. Or, God only punishes those that hear of Christ and reject Him which kind of makes as much sense as the Calvinist POV.

P.S. Isn’t fun how, thanks to Mulah Huck, that this election cycle has been more about religion than politics. Thanks to all Huck supporters for ignoring Article VI of the constitution! Now we have McCain thanks to Mike “the Spoiler” Huckabee.

The people he was trying to reach in Iowa with his “cross ad” loved the fact that he used a cross and talked about Christ in his ad. They shrugged off the fact that he lied about actually intending for the cross to be there in the first place. Those who deemed the ad inappropriate for using Christianity as a political tool, were accused of being anti-Christian. Huckabee was able to slide by that one easily with the voters, and his use of these tactics is THE reason why he won Iowa.

It is insulting to Christians that they were used and manipulated in such a way, by this expert politician. He knew exactly what it would take to get these people to vote for him, appeal to their spirituality, and that’s just what he did.

Notice, his message changed when he was in other states such as New Hampshire, or Michigan. He didn’t quote from the Bible in those states, why? Why did he behave differently in heavily Evangelical states than in other states? Because he is a politician, through and through!

The scary part is that Huckabee was able to gain a substantial following (almost solely among Evangelicals) simply because of his Faith. People liked his personality and speech making ability as well, but failed to really look at his record, where they would have seen some major differences from their own conservative positions. He was able to “pull the wool over the eyes” of so many people, this man’s power should not be underestimated, and is something to watch out for in the future!

MATT
“but God doesn’t mind that God sends most of the people he creates out of nothing to hell.”

God does mind extremely that he sends people to hell
that’s why he gave us a way to get out of it by sending his only son to die on the cross for “OUR” sins
John 3:16
For God so LOVED the world that he gave his ONLY begotten son that whosoever beleiveth on him hath everlasting life.

MATT
“oh and, the rest of you … go to hell”

if u are truly an evangelical christian what kind of an example are you sending to all of the people who are reading your comments.

MATT
“I can sin all I want … as long as I believe in the doctrines voted on in the Council of Nicea and other similar creeds that came about in the Medieval times.”

WHAT IS THAT??????
you say that ur an evangelical christian??
first of all you shouldn’t have that kind of attitude that you can sin al you want
second of all you go to heaven by beleiving that Jesus died on the cross for your sins, then accepting that you are a sinner and you need the holy spirit to live inside of you.
I hope you and everyone reading this will come to beleive so