Should Your Vote Still Count if You’re Dead?
AP: Florence Steen, 88, voted for Hillary Rodham Clinton at the Rapid City Regional Hospital Auxiliary Hospice House in Rapid City, SD but her vote never counted because she died before Election Day.
If you vote by mail, but die before Election Day, does your vote count? It depends on where you lived.
Oregon counts ballots no matter what happens to the voter. So does Florida. But in South Dakota, if you die before the election, so does your vote.
Increasingly popular mail-in ballots mean voters can now choose candidates up to 60 days before an election, raising new questions about an age-old phenomenon normally associated with chicanery in places like Chicago: What should be done with the ballots of the recently dead?
Laws in at least a dozen states are evenly split between tallying and dumping the votes. No one keeps records on how often such deaths occur.
Yet in this year’s contentious campaign, the right of every American to a counted ballot has become a rallying cry — even if the voter dies before the tallying starts.
Take the case of Florence Steen, an ailing 88-year-old grandmother born before women had the right to vote. One of her last wishes was to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton. She wanted to be part of history, said her daughter Kathy Krause.
Steen was confined to a hospice bed in Rapid City, S.D., when she was brought an absentee ballot weeks before the June 3 primary. She studied it a long time, then marked her choice with such determination her daughter feared she would poke through the paper.
Steen died on Mother’s Day. With a heavy heart, her daughter took the ballot and dropped it in a mailbox. “In my mind, her vote counted,” Krause said. “My mother believed she had voted for a woman to be president.”
But the women down at the county courthouse told Krause the ballot had to be tossed because state law declared a voter must be alive on Election Day.
So Krause passed that word to the Clinton campaign. And Clinton drew great applause when she told the story in her concession speech four days after the South Dakota primary.
“It’s just a goofy law, and it needs to be changed,” said Krause, who plans to lobby state legislators to reverse that statute just as soon as her grief eases.
“What about the soldiers in Iraq? What if they vote and they’re killed in action, God forbid? Should we take away their vote because they died for their country?”
There are no military standards governing voting by soldiers. Rather, their mailed-in ballots are counted at the individual election districts where they are registered to vote. But like civilian votes, no one keeps track of whether the ballots of soldiers are thrown out because they died after casting them.
“No one can tell you that,” said Susan Dzieduszycka-Suinat, head of the Overseas Voting Foundation in Munich. “Every single election jurisdiction can do it the way it wants. And there are more than 7,000 of them.”
Thirty-one states allow some form of early voting.
Ballots cast by the dead are usually the focus of fraud allegations, as happened in Washington’s extremely tight 2004 gubernatorial race, decided by a margin of 129 votes out of 3 million cast. More than a dozen ballots were linked to dead people.
But some advocates say legitimate, mail-in votes from people who die before Election Day should be counted, particularly in rural elections, where races can hang on a handful of votes.
“In Montana, there have been several legislative seats decided by one, two, three votes,” said Tim Storey of the National Conference of State Legislatures, an organization that recently looked at 12 mostly Western states and found that half have no rules governing ballots of the deceased.
Those remaining states — Colorado, Idaho, Minnesota and Utah — demand that such ballots be rejected, leaving Montana and Oregon as the only states that count them.
South Dakota Secretary of State Chris Nelson said he doesn’t understand why a dead person’s vote should be counted.
“In my mind, it’s clear,” Nelson said. “You have to be a qualified voter on Election Day. I don’t know how someone can say you’re a qualified voter if you’re deceased.”
Pam Smith, director of the advocacy group Verified Voting, disagrees: “By definition, the day you cast a ballot is Election Day. That’s it.”
Mail-in ballots arrived in record numbers during this year’s protracted primary season.
In California’s San Diego County, for example, 45 percent of the presidential vote arrived by mail. Similar numbers surfaced across the country. Election experts have predicted that as many as 25 percent of voters will vote by mail in November.
Dan Seligson, an editor at electionline.org, a voter watchdog organization, said ballots from the recently deceased could affect the contentious presidential showdown between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain.
“It could be a great contribution to any legal challenge,” he said. “That’s what happened in 2000, when we had this perfect storm of questions about ballot counts, ballot designs, and dead voters.”




Thr voters in Florida and Michigan voted and didn’t get their votes counted and they wern’t dead.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, and a thousand times NO. And that goes for illegals as well.
Ridiculously question! Here are some other questions for your survey.
Should non- white non-men be able to vote?
Should 2 year olds be able to vote?
Should terrorists be able to vote?
How could cast a vote for Hillary Clinton when the Dems don’t even have their nominee officially yet????What ballot was she using? Elections are held on election day in Nov.- some are really stretching the voting time. Some will do anything to get a vote.
I believe they should be allowed in. However for this and all absentee ballots there needs to be(in my opinion) a “wittness to the signature. Could be anyone & all they have to do is provide basic contact information.
As far as “ONE-PERSON-ONE-VOTE”, for this Democratic Primary “THAT’S a JOKE!
Just look at FL & MI, and don’t get me started on CAUCUSes!!!
Check out a web-site for Dr. Lynette Long - http://www.lynettelong.com; she’s working on complaints of voting problems reported by many people across America.
I’d like to see the comparision of Primary states won between Obama & Clinton / early voting option vs. same day voting?? Just-a-Thought
GO PUMA!!
SueHal they was talking about the woman voting in the primary not the election in Nov. There was no reason to be so rude….and no the vote shouldn’t be counted if some one dies before the election.
This just opens up a can of worms that can never be closed. Next you will be hearing about how “Oh, my wife died in March, but I KNOW she would’ve voted for (insert name here) so I should be able to cast her vote because it’s election year.” So no, if you aren’t alive on Election Day, no vote. Too much room for corruption here.